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Tanemon wrote this in another thread but I think it might deserve its own topic -- likely to get buried in the healing thread:
"Alx, I'm curious... have you undergone any noticeable changes in your personal (psycho-physical) energy system since you began your training with Sri Kaleshwar?
I'm thinking along the lines of subjectively obvious kundalini, or nadi clearing... that sort of thing? If so, has it been comfortable or uncomfortable?
Tanemon"
"Alx, I'm curious... have you undergone any noticeable changes in your personal (psycho-physical) energy system since you began your training with Sri Kaleshwar?
I'm thinking along the lines of subjectively obvious kundalini, or nadi clearing... that sort of thing? If so, has it been comfortable or uncomfortable?
Tanemon"
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Re: purification
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 1:29 AMyes, Tanemon -- the simple answer is yes. constantly. it still happens a lot, but in the beginning -- when I was witnessing a lot of miracles and adjusting to being in the energy of a high power spot on the planet, and around the energy of a healing master (super-high, and pristine), my whole system was purifying in every way imaginable.
simply everything was on the table -- physically, from skin rashes to internal crazy stuff, cycles of burning that felt like fevers or 24-hour flu episodes but were just a lot of inner heat coming out, sometimes nausea, sometimes no appetite, sometimes super appetite, like crazily hungry all the time, nerve pains shooting this way and that way..... it was super-intense. still is, from time to time, depending on what's happening and how the energy runs. over the years, I've come to recognize the symptoms and also, sometimes, the specificity of the energy and how its affecting my system. quite a research.
but also, emotionally, everything got wrung out, turned upside-down, purified, strengthened, clarified.... it's really uncomfortable, internally, to the ego and the emotions, when your belief systems are getting shattered everywhere you turn. I really didn't realize I had so many beliefs systems, so ingrained, and entrenched, and insidious, until they started getting challenged and dissolved by the divine energy at work.
and the thing is, I don't think people realize how intensely the emotions are a huge part of our illusion-perceptions about the world we live in and how it operates. the emotions are like a huge mask we wear with ease and comfort -- so familiar that we don't remember we're wearing a mask at all, and are certainly not clear about how much our emotions are clouding our true perceptions of ourselves, who we really are.
so -- when they start getting activated and amplified, washing out and healed in a beautiful way, it's confusing and a little bit excruciating.
and these days, I have to say that everything about me -- everything, with few exceptions -- is completely different from who I was, and thought I was, in 1999 when I first came into contact with this spiritual path. physically, emotionally, it feels like a completely different character -- accompanied by clarity and confidence, certainty of my dharma, and unspeakable gratitude for it all.
is it worth it, going through all the purification and the illusions, the loosening of attachment bonds and the physical intensity? absolutely, in my opinion. I can't imagine, now, living any other way -- and underneath the surface experiences, the bliss is always awake.
Alx
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Re: purification
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:49 AMThere are some ways in which I'm now reluctant to enter into new shakti-based or deep-training types of development processes. After several years of Reiki attunement and practice (plus an energy attunement from another lineage or two), I got into a pattern involving body heating, or "tummo", mostly at night, during sleep hours. Plus, I started to get notable discomfort in my neck and back of my head. And about five or six years ago, I too (like Alx) was getting rashes... for me, these were mainly a reddening of the skin around my eyes, under the eyebrows and out to the corners of my eyes, and underneath. Looked like very bad sunburn, and then would flake and peel for a day or two, then go back to normal. I must have gotten about half a dozen bouts of that!
For a period of some weeks or possibly months, I was getting a lingering discomfort in both the neck and upper back between the shoulders. Interestingly, I was working in an office at the time, and - though I never mentioned any of this discomfort or 'weird stuff' to anyone - two or three of my co-workers seemed to "catch" these symptoms during office hours. They began to roll their heads and stretch backs and shoulders, in obvious acute irritation and discomfort in the exact same area in which I'd been experiencing it during the night and in the morning! Sometimes I myself was not consciously experiencing these symptoms during work hours because I'd resorted to over-the-counter pain killers to deal with it.
Perhaps because I'm a guy, I like to feel balanced and in-control during the day. And balance and control have been necessary for me to continue working and relating with people. I've had many times when I was barely maintaining. LOL
For a very longer stretch of time, I've been hearing a constant high-pitched sound. It goes back before my Reiki attunements and is something that seems to have developed long ago out of my meditation, but which has continued on or perhaps intensified since my "energy attunements" (Reiki & other). Other sounds come and go, too. And there have been occasions when I smelled pefume for no apparent reason, or have closed my eyes to relax and seen a beautiful, liquid coilor field. Another thing I've experienced is a recurrent, though not necessarily daily, onset of sudden drowsiness in the afternoon; sometimes, if I was not at an office or other work place, I could nap, and the sleeps that resulted felt luscious!
A more recent "symptom" of mine, in the last three years or so, has been the increase of a coating on my tongue overnight by morning. Seems to be some process by which my body is purifying itself. Previously, I went through a period of conspicuously smelly urine for about a year, but that passed (it's been two years or more since that was part of the process).
On the 'mental' side, bizarre and vivid dreams (some very wonderful, too), temporary re-experiencing of old emotional conflicts during waking hours, constant re-examination of my values and convictions, and strange thoughts have all been part of what's going on.
Good gosh! This healing & development business is not necessarily 'a walk in the park'
Namaste,
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Re: purification
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:27 AMhey, Tanemon --
well, yes, it always sounds awful when I think about the symptoms and what the purification is like. but what we don't often realize is that when the shakti is applied in our spiritual lives, the acceleration of purifying karmas is profound. in other words, we can go through it in a little bumpy way in this lifetime -- but we get through REAMS of karmic stockpiles of debt. rather than stretching it all out over several lifetimes that may be more peaceful on the surface, but we're not getting any closer, internally, to knowing about the life and death cycles, who we really are, and why we came on this planet.
so -- it's a trade-off. for me, having lived in the frying pan for nearly 10 years now, I'm happy with the perqs and results that far outweigh the temporary illusions of physical discomfort.
by the way -- the skin stuff and rashes means the earth element in your system is getting purified. that's significant -- it's the biggest, toughest, most gross expression of the divine energy in form, the earth element is the most dense. it's where we hold a lot of our illusions and egoisms.
"For a very longer stretch of time, I've been hearing a constant high-pitched sound. It goes back before my Reiki attunements and is something that seems to have developed long ago out of my meditation, but which has continued on or perhaps intensified since my "energy attunements" (Reiki & other)."
yes, that's another clear symptom of receiving some divine energy.
"And there have been occasions when I smelled pefume for no apparent reason,"
it means an angel is near you. seriously -- one of the symptoms of the angels or the divine characters is a beautiful fragance, strong and distinctive, that comes 'out of nowhere' and doesn't seem to have a traceable source. my experience, sometimes, is that it smells like someone has broken a whole bottle of perfume in the room where I'm meditating. that's an auspicious moment -- there are tools you can use to develop that experience and maximize it.
"Another thing I've experienced is a recurrent, though not necessarily daily, onset of sudden drowsiness in the afternoon; sometimes, if I was not at an office or other work place, I could nap, and the sleeps that resulted felt luscious!"
yup. that's one of the happier symptoms of the purificatory spiritual explorations -- those downloads from the cosmic that come, seemingly without warning or announcement. if you meditate during those times, you can pull more of that delicious cosmic energy to yourself, to your soul, to strengthen your relationship with the divine in you.
there are mechanisms for utilizing the spiritual experiences, to gain more of them and more familiarity with them and how the creation works, distinct repeatable mechanisms, like a spiritual technology, that saints from thousands of years ago wrote down in formulas that people can follow.
it really sounds like you're already having so many experiences -- it would be brilliant to pursue the technology a bit so you can actually purpose and understand, clearly, those experiences and what they're leading to.
*grinning*
thanks for sharing all that. it's always inspiring to hear about people's spiritual 'symptoms'.
Alx
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Re: purification
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 1:14 PMThanks for all the encouragement and insight, Alx. I do appreciate it.
I wrote: "Another thing I've experienced is a recurrent, though not necessarily daily, onset of sudden drowsiness in the afternoon; sometimes, if I was not at an office or other work place, I could nap, and the sleeps that resulted felt luscious!"
Alx wrote: "yup. that's one of the happier symptoms of the purificatory spiritual explorations -- those downloads from the cosmic that come, seemingly without warning or announcement. if you meditate during those times, you can pull more of that delicious cosmic energy to yourself, to your soul, to strengthen your relationship with the divine in you."
You mean I wouldn't just fall asleep sitting up?! But more to the point... I'm a bit reluctant to over-meditate... because I'm not living in an ashram, and to have sudden onsets of debilitating discomfort, pain, or mental states would not work well, at all, with my lifestyle. I make a point of not courting any more discomfort.
In the last few years, I've been able to "just sit" in the sort of Zen/quiet-mind style... it used to require a method (like following my breaths) to achieve this, but does not anymore. But these days, I've cut my sitting meditation back. What I do, reliably, is to dedicate myself in the morning (a sort of prayer and affirmation of intent), and at night before sleep.
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Sun, September 14, 2008 - 3:12 PM*grinning* no, you wouldn't fall asleep sitting up -- you're going into a trance, into a transcendent state of awareness. that's the whole point of meditation, actually, is achieving that state. meditation is an 'aware sleep' -- you might say. you're 100% relaxed, physically, but not sleeping. and the awareness, the inner spark of the god's light in you, knows itself awake in those moments.
in terms of meditating less to accommodate your lifestyle, yes, of course, that's one way to approach the choice that looms, sooner or later, before every human being.
what I've learned is that the uncomfortable phases may come and go over years, but they're not permanent by any stretch, and they don't interfere with me getting my work done. if it's super-intense and not a good time for something to hit, often I'll ask the divine, internally, to postpone it until I CAN take a relaxed time or an intense physical bout. a rain check, so to speak.
but -- it really depends what's our focus. if we want to be free from our karmas, and free to operate with a profound understanding of life and death and beyond, going TOWARD the discomfort rather than away from it is a good idea, accelerating the pace and the purification so it is short and intense, but we've gotten through it and on to the real work that lies behind it.
if the focus is daily comfort and maintaining a life in the world, and avoiding pain... that's great, and just means that maybe enlightenment stages aren't the goal in this particular lifetime.
there are no right or wrong answers; it's really about what we want in our lives, and what's the efficient way to reach those goals.
Alx
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