A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

topic posted Sun, June 17, 2007 - 11:27 AM by  *B*
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Hi All,

I've been absent from this tribe for a while, although not completely because I do check in and read the discussions but I haven't posted here in quite a long time. I found that after a particularly intense experience almost a year ago which pretty much shook me to the core spiritually speaking, I've been in hiding/denial of some kind.

I still haven't been able to completely process the experience and I feel it almost swept me "over the edge" psychologically speaking. It was beautiful, profound, all-consuming and...scary as hell. I've been struggling with not wanting to ever "go there" again.

My spiritual practice has continued, although with some trepidation and not with my former intensity.

Is it unusual to have an experience which pretty much stops one dead in their tracks cowering in fear at where this is taking them? Can a glimpse at something so much greater than onself create fear where once, none existed? For the past year I have felt as though I'm in a holding pattern, not willing to move forward but not wanting to completely abandon the process. Why/what am I resisiting? Where does one go from here?
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  • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

    Sun, June 17, 2007 - 11:08 PM
    *B*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you're bacccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkk! <careening around the room joyfully> you've been missed, dear sister.

    I really understand that the major spiritual experience spun you for a loop. (we can talk more about it privately but I'm really glad you're sharing this with the group.)

    you wrote, above:
    "Is it unusual to have an experience which pretty much stops one dead in their tracks cowering in fear at where this is taking them? Can a glimpse at something so much greater than onself create fear where once, none existed? For the past year I have felt as though I'm in a holding pattern, not willing to move forward but not wanting to completely abandon the process. Why/what am I resisiting? Where does one go from here?"

    to your first question, no, it's not at all unusual -- this happens often in the high spiritual channels. I've seen it many times. MANY times. people get all magnetized, they come to an experience with a supernatural soul, they get a real door-opening lightning bolt view into their own soul capacity, courtesy of god and their own good karmas intersecting in that moment......

    and then they run. really run.

    why?

    because the EGO KNOWS ITS NUMBER IS UP.

    the soul is singing in joy, the egoism is terrified. and it SHOULD be terrified -- it's going to die. period. end statement.

    then starts the internal battle of purification and digestion of the experience. some days, the running away seemed like the most sensible thing in the world -- other days, it seems purely asinine. sometimes it can seem like both at once. *grinning* believe me, I know this territory like the back of my cute little hand.

    to your second question -- of course. yes. of course. "it's not our darkness we're afraid of -- it's our light." or whatever that Marianne Williamson quote is.

    it's really natural, I'm telling you -- I see it all the time.

    to your last questions: "Why/what am I resisiting? Where does one go from here?"

    great questions. how 'bout you answer the first one.

    what are you resisting -- and, more interestingly, WHO is resisting it?

    food for thought.

    "where does one go from here?"

    where do you want to go? that's the real question -- that's maybe the only important question any of us has to wrestle with, in our lives.

    forget anyone's suggestions here -- they'll only cloud your judgment. you're the only one who can answer this question, with clarity, for yourself.

    what do YOU really want?

    in love,

    Alx

    • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

      Tue, June 19, 2007 - 9:34 AM
      Thank you for the welcome back! I had to give your words some deep thought and you hit on some things that make perfect sense to me...

      "they get a real door-opening lightning bolt view into their own soul capacity, courtesy of god and their own good karmas intersecting in that moment......
      and then they run. really run.
      why?
      because the EGO KNOWS ITS NUMBER IS UP.
      the soul is singing in joy, the egoism is terrified. and it SHOULD be terrified -- it's going to die. period. end statement."

      Yup, when this happened I had a very strong "need" to "run". It was an amazingly beautific experience BUT I felt as though *I* was literally being consumed by it and that somehow everything around me would disolve and where would that leave *me*?! So yes, I can see that it was a very ego based reaction.

      The frightening part for me is; what happens when ego dies? I mean, what happens next? In that beautific experience, nothing else really mattered...everything about the "illusion" of world became very superfluous and I felt a sense of vastness that could not be contained by the illusion. I felt I could quite easily disappear into it...and then what?

      So how does life go on after ego death? What does that look like? Do I REALLY want to go there...yet?

      I don't want to ignore the experience or pretend that it never happened but how do I go about processing it in a manner that won't have me sitting in a psyche ward somewhere? This became a very real fear.

      So, it seems that ever since, *Soul* has been gently knocking at ego's door while ego keeps ignoring the constant tap, tap, tapping and goes about it's business as usual but it's starting to get really nervous. It senses that one of these days the door will burst wide open and the dream will be over. Yikes!

      How can that door be opened gently with some kind of...I don't know...control? (Heh, yah right, control, what an I THINKING?) Rather than the body-slamming WHOOSH that accompanied my experience?

      • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

        Thu, June 21, 2007 - 12:20 AM
        hi, *B* -- it's really natural, you know? we react from our ids until the id gets burned away enough that a strong soul can direct our actions, instead of our minds and reactiveness.

        the good news is that the ego DOESN'T die -- if it did, you also would cease to exist. we need an ego in order to survive in a physical body.

        the egoism, on the other hand -- different story, I hope so. our constant and incessant fixation on ourselves and our limited view of this world and its underlying reality, and a lack of trade with our own soul and ITS priorities -- has to dissolve if we're going to get anywhere at all in this spiritual life, in this game with god.

        so -- the worst thing that can happen to the ego is that it gets divinized, ie, transformed by divine energy and put firmly into god's service, not your own illusion of what you think you are, want, feel, etc. do you see what I'm saying?

        do you really want to go there? are you asking from your mind, heart, or soul?

        I think if you asked your soul to show you, really show you, what IT wants -- there would be no question about really wanting to go there. sounds like your soul is more than happy (and you're lucky in this respect!) to let you know exactly what's needed and it will force you, drag you, whatever it takes, to get you to what's needed.

        the question -- how much do you really want to suffer by FIGHTING the soul? -- is an interesting one.

        the great American writer, Henry Miller: "suffering -- the algebraic demonstration of spiritual inflexibility."

        perfect.

        bend, say the Taoists, don't break.

        you can't process the experience alone, or in your own mind. that's a bad place to be when the spiritual shit starts hitting the fan, in my humble opinion. seek out the company of SERIOUS spiritual people, and be there. or call 'em on the phone and chat. (still have my number?)

        there ARE ways for the door to be opened in a systematic, proper way -- this is why it's really important to search out and cling to a real sadguru, a real supernatural master wise in the ways of the soul who knows your entire history (lifetimes) and trajectory and how to get you across the 'finish line' in one piece.

        and also, it depends on your own willingness to work for it -- no one gets through those doorways, safely or otherwise, without doing hard work. that's the deal with sadhana, and why it's so vital to find a master who can give you appropriate spiritual processes and meditation work (sadhana) so you can help your soul evolve more rapidly, and deeply.

        then, when you receive an influx of energy, it's neither a shock nor a systemic upset -- it's an energy input that you have the spiritual muscles to hold, carry, and even eat and digest properly.

        this is the thing with American spiritual people who blithely go around and taste the offerings of spiritual teachers, traditions, energies and agendas -- we are REALLY naive in this country, in many ways, and have no idea what we're getting into (but we're climbing head first into it, anyway) or that the high channels involve a lot of purification. a lot of work before receiving the high energy, and the ability to handle the purification that results from it.

        that's my feeling, anyway, based on years of experience both as a blithe Westerner and as someone who's done hard sadhana in India under the guidance of an unbelievable sadguru.

        Alx
  • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

    Thu, June 21, 2007 - 1:55 PM
    Hi B

    I read your post and it reminded me of two teachings from kaballah. Since I study kaballah, I am more familiar with these teachings than other spiritual paths. this path is my path but I don't claim that its any better than any other path. I think ultimately all spiritual paths lead to the same place. I hope either or both of these teachings shed some light (pun intended) to your questions. both of these teaching are metaphorical.

    the first teaching is about light and vessel.

    according to the teaching, we are each a vessel for the divine light. the purpose of spiritual practice is to strengthen and/or enlarge our vessel. the stronger the vessel the more of the divine light will naturally fill it. seeking the divine light without strengthening your vessel (without spiritual practice) can result in possibly getting burned, overwhelmed or in the worst case of your vessel shattering.

    it sounds like perhaps you experienced more divine light than your vessel was ready for. as said previously, this is not uncommon. there are warnings in many different spiritual paths about seeking the light too fast, proceeding slowly, etc.

    the second teaching is about going down in order to rise up.

    we may start on a spiritual path and we may make some progress at first. we might then expect that this progress will continue in a linear fashion like an upward straight line on a graph. look at a stock market chart, is it a straight line? it may have an upward trend, but rarely is it linear. or in another example, if you climb a mountain, is the way up always up? sometimes the trail or path leads down and then up again.

    part of the teaching of going down to rise up is the realization that we will fall in our journey to rise up. how far we fall is all relative. the question is......... can we find the divine in the place we are in spite of having fallen? we might have been basking in the light of the divine and now we have fallen and are now in the darkness.........can we find the divine in that place? can we find the light in the darkness?

    I hope this helps

    Its difficult at best to try to summarize these teachings in a few sentences. I hope at least some of this makes sense.

    Namaste

    Mark
  • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

    Mon, September 10, 2007 - 9:10 AM
    I am loving reading all your inspiration ~ When the soul emerges it is a truly an awesome and overwhelming experience and I love the truth being shared here ~ Goddess Star
    • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

      Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:59 AM
      I've been doing a LOT of reading of late (thaks Alex for sharing the link, I'm digesting the info slowly).

      I've also *chosen* to accept...accept what is, what I am given, and where it takes me.

      I've finally realized that moving by toward awareness of that which is greater than the physical me does not mean I cease to exist as the person I've come to love after so much hard work. I think that was a big part of what was so frightening to me.

      I've actively taken up my spiritual practice again and am finding that spirit is propelling me along but I'm not fighting it any longer.

      I now understand that I don't have to be *perfect* in the physical world because I am already that and always have been at Soul level and coming to terms with this has allowed me to relax and open up to the energies at work.
      • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

        Thu, September 13, 2007 - 1:06 PM
        A poem which speaks to what I"m feeling these days...

        When Death Comes

        When death comes
        like the hungry bear in autumn
        when death comes and takes all the bright coins from his purse

        to buy me, and snaps his purse shut;
        when death comes
        like the measle-pox;

        when death comes
        like an iceberg between the shoulder blades,

        I want to step through the door full of curiosity, wondering;
        what is it going to be like, that cottage of darkness?

        And therefore I look upon everything
        as a brotherhood and a sisterhood,
        and I look upon time as no more than an idea,
        and I consider eternity as another possibility,

        and I think of each life as a flower, as common
        as a field daisy, and as singular,

        and each name a comfortable music in the mouth
        tending as all music does, toward silence,

        and each body a lion of courage, and something
        precious to the earth.

        When it's over, I want to say: all my life
        I was a bride married to amazement.
        I was a bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.

        When it's over, I don't want to wonder
        if I have made of my life something particular, and real.
        I don't want to find myself sighing and frightened
        or full of argument.

        I don't want to end up simply having visited this world.

        ~ Mary Oliver ~


        (New and Selected Poems, Volume I)
        • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

          Fri, September 14, 2007 - 12:41 AM
          hey, B --

          I love Mary Oliver, she is deeper than deep. her poems knock me sideways and every which way imaginable.

          I think it really gets summed up in a few words -- "don't waste your life!!!!!!!!"

          time is really getting short.

          Alx
          • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

            Fri, September 14, 2007 - 3:49 PM
            Yeah, Mary Oliver is one of my all time favorite poets for that very reason.

            When I read that poem - it said so clearly what I was beginnning to appreciate about the death of the ego-self.

            YES, she's "deeper than deep".
  • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

    Sun, September 16, 2007 - 7:42 AM
    B--

    --As a (relatively) new pratitioner on a spiritual path, I emphasize. Recently also had a profound experience that sounds as if it was similar.

    --The guidance given here all sounds excellent. Guru (teacher), Sanga (good company/spiritual friends), taking one's time, building capacity.

    --A slightly different piece of the puzzle for you to consider: If you run off all your karmas very quickly, you COULD die. Is that a bad thing? Resolving all your karmas and experiencing true Yoga? Maybe not. My teacher spoke about this very recently, based on his own experiences. Of course he suggests a guru to guide one through the process.

    --Yet a human birth is precious. Why not live out one's life? He also mentioned that it is important to find a reason to 'stick around', as it were. This is why so many traditions have a basic goal of 'serving all beings'. This is an excellent reason to stick around, and gives one something to 'hold on to' that doesn't create more problematic karma.

    --THAT said, they say that even the most hightly realized Yogins keep the 'flavor' of their personality. It's like a lovely sculpture, or an ancient tree, or a uniquely shaped stone. You become a 'prisim' of sorts, though which the universe shines, and your unique personality focuses a unique bandwidth of energy. Perhaps to do a specific task, perhaps just to be.
    • Re: A Glimpse but Not Yet Ready?

      Sun, September 16, 2007 - 10:20 AM
      Charles,

      I like that... "finding a reason to stick around" Interestingly, the reason seems to have found me. As I've opened more to the energies at work, the more urgently I am led to embark on a path of healing the wounds of others, particularly women wounded by domestic violence and sexual abuse. My own healing moves me to share this with others who are in similar need. So yes, I think service is an important component to all of this.

      Thank you for bringing that up.

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