The Monroe Institute

topic posted Tue, April 11, 2006 - 6:14 PM by  earthstarvil...
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Has any one heard of these people? www.monroeinstitute.com/

I have had experience with some of their home courses. It's too complex (tho simple really) for me to type a description here when clicking over to it will tell you more.

I've had some interesting experiences with them and some of the excercises I still use in some of my meditations. I particularly like the way they have defined states of mind and meditative states.
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earthstarvillage
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  • Re: The Monroe Institute

    Fri, April 14, 2006 - 1:22 PM
    hi, Ivey --

    I looked at their site -- pretty interesting. I'd never heard of it before. it reminds me of some of the work I did, years ago, with Jack Schwarz -- he pioneered exploring brain wave states as a way to explain consciousness states. sounds like Monroe himself was a kind of natural yogi.

    what do you like about the exercises?

    Alx
    • Re: The Monroe Institute

      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 5:54 AM
      Gee. I was starting to feel like I posted something stupid---nobody's responded---oh well... I jump in things and then look around to see what I've gotten into.

      I have some of the "home courses. I would LOVE the opportunity to attend deeper sessions at their location!

      The home excersises are on cassette tape which are listened to in a dark peaceful space with headphones. This can be kinda uncomfortable and distracting---but it's possible to be worked thru. As you saw on their website, the theory is harmonics. Different tones are played in different ears and a third harmonc is created in the center that leads you to the "space".

      I feel taken to that space where meditation leads. (So as not to feel like a sponge with warm icky water in it--lol)

      One of the premises of the program is the quote, "We are more than our physical bodies."

      I like the way they have labled the different states of mind in a progressive manner. For example---"focus 10" is body asleep, mind awake. "focus 12" is expanded consciousness.

      There are more levels--but alas, thru many "lessons" that is as far as I've gone kinda with these---actually for a long time this was as far as the home based program would "take you". Since then they have released lessons that go fruther---"focus15" etc. I think they presumed it could be dangerous for people unguided at home to go further.

      There are focus levels that take one to realms of other spirits and stuff---astral projection also---which I guess can be dangerous or at least scary... I guess they didn't want people going to the astral and getting stuck in a world of illusion or something---I don't know for sure.

      After doing these for a while, one can center and think to yourself, "focus 10", and the auto suggestion transfers you to that state.

      When I was pregnant with my last child I did the pregnancy series of at home tapes and connected very deeply with the life that was inside me. These were mainly visualisation things in focus 10 & 12. One was a lovely little cottage in the woods with a fireplace and comfy chairs to connect in. The most cool one was swimming as dolphins in the amniotic sea with my baby and conversing about stuff---what the baby felt, wanted, and needed. That one was too cool---

      So Alx, that's pretty much my experience. I haven't done the tapes in a long long time since I stay fairly maxed out with three kiddlings now...but the lessons remain a part of me and my practice. All my life I wanted to learn yoga----when I finally did, I found that while doing the asanas--I mentally practice going into focus 10 & 12 and the experience deepens dramatically.

      Some people may feel violated by catagorising the different states a mind can go to...I personally really dig the organisation and validating part of it. That's also one of the things I like about Tibetan Buddhism too. Things are broken down and organised into little chunks that are easier to swallow----like the 4 basic truths and the 8 fold path. The Tibetans seem to do everyhting like that---it seems like a Virgo thing.
  • Re: The Monroe Institute

    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 12:13 PM
    A friend of mine JUST introduced me to sound wave technology for meditation. His comes from a place called The Centerpointe Research Institute and they use stereo holosync recordings. I noticed the Monroe Institute offers a similar thing called it Hemisync.

    I'd heard there had been research done on brainwave activity during meditation. I guess this has been around for a while but it's the first I'd encountered it.

    Very interesting stuff.

    • Re: The Monroe Institute

      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 3:15 PM
      I experimented with using binaural beats and other brain entrainment technology some time ago. I've used audio from a software program called Brainwave Generator (www.bwgen.com/) as well as another more sophisticated one, called Neuroprogrammer (www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/). I recorded the Neuroprogrammer audio tracks to disk using a pro audio editing program, so it did not cost me anything to expiriment with this approach.

      There is no need to cough up hundreds or thousands of dollars for the various levels offered by Monroe or Centrepoint. The above two programs give you the same benefits.

      My personal experience from using brain entrainment technologies:

      First, I find the usual background sounds mixed in with the actual entrainment frequencies (usually New-Age crap like sounds of rain, crystal bowls etc) to be annoying and distracting. I like my meditations to be nothingness, pure Being, so this approach doesn't work the best for me.

      Second: I did find that I was entering deeper states of consciousness, which could be likened to turiya (4th state), but it was lacking the clarity that my usual Ananda Gandha meditation gives me. It was bordering more on the sleep state than the transcendental.

      Third: using an external aid like headphones and audio doesn't allow me to completely relax into my Self. There's always a subconscious component of awareness focusing on the audio, whereas my goal in meditation is leaving absolutely all sensory stimulus behind - just sitting, being.

      That said, this is certainly a useful, high-tech, scientific approach for people who are making the initial foray into meditation, and trying to connect with the inner silence. Incidentally, listening to theta waves is for 30 minutes is supposed to give your brain rest equivalent to 4 hours of sleep. Now that is something I could use (but have been too lazy to try)!
      • Re: The Monroe Institute

        Sat, April 15, 2006 - 4:21 PM
        One thing I forgot to mention. I have absolutely NO interest whatsoever in consciously producing phenomena like astral projection, OBEs etc etc. but many of these frequency groups are supposedly designed to facilitate such experiences. It's good entertainment if you want to experience something like an acid trip without the nasty flashbacks, though, I guess hehe ; )
        • Re: The Monroe Institute

          Sun, April 16, 2006 - 2:23 AM
          my first spiritual teacher, Jack Schwarz, was a Dutch yogi whose siddhis were well-documented by many medical schools and scientific research institutes and paranormal blah-blah-blah institutes.

          he talked a lot on the brainwaves states, and how they link to the breath -- how much one inhales, exhales, how long it takes to exhale a breath, etc., and how that related to brainwave states (and how they in turn were connected to higher consciousness levels). researchers familiar with brain wave predominances were always shocked at how Jack would be fully awake and chatting, although the machines he was hooked up to were reporting he was constantly in Delta state -- a state normally associated with deep sleep.

          I learned a great deal more than I thought I had, being around Jack and soaking up his incredible knowledge, even though it was delivered in a way that was understandable to Western minds and people. it was a fabulous entree into the world of the super-normal, of miraculous energy, of divine states of awareness and consciousness, and his brilliance (and his love) really whetted my appetite for a deeper understanding of spirituality.

          (he was also an expert in remote-viewing, could take his consciousness out of his body and go wandering around the cosmos, like all saints can do.)

          of course no one sensible is TRYING to accomplish those feats in spirituality; nonetheless they do occur and can be quite freaky to people who naturally fall into those experiences without warning or knowing in advance they have those abilities. I appreciate anyone who's trying to define, codify and especially demystify those kinds of experiences.

          now more than ever, it's really important that people start waking up -- en masse -- to their own innate divinity and the abilities (and the responsibilities) that that implies.

          Alx
          • Re: The Monroe Institute

            Sun, April 16, 2006 - 2:24 AM
            my last comment -- Kaleshwara, my current guru, refers to meditation as 'aware sleep.'

            maybe that line between feeling 'transcendent' and feeling like you're 'asleep' is a much much finer one than you're aware of .....

            Alx
          • Re: The Monroe Institute

            Sun, April 16, 2006 - 12:35 PM
            >>I appreciate anyone who's trying to define, codify and especially demystify those kinds of experiences.

            Me too; this is a great meeting ground for modern science and ancient spiritual wisdom.


            >>now more than ever, it's really important that people start waking up -- en masse -- to their own innate divinity and the abilities (and >>the responsibilities) that that implies.

            It's happening on an unprecedented scale, no Can you imagine us Americans having such dialogue about Yoga/Tantra/Devi etc, as we regularly do here on tribe, back in the 1980s? ; )



            >>my last comment -- Kaleshwara, my current guru, refers to meditation as 'aware sleep.'

            >>maybe that line between feeling 'transcendent' and feeling like you're 'asleep' is a much much finer one than you're aware of .....

            True. Deep, dreamless non-REM sleep is very close to Turiya. What I meant was that the state produced in my body-mind by this approach was "foggier" compared with my pure meditation-based experience of turiya which has been more clear, light and uplifting . This was more like Yoga Nidra... deeply relaxing, awareness filled "sleep". Sure, it is great for "inner research", just not my prefered laboratary ; )
      • Re: The Monroe Institute

        Sat, April 15, 2006 - 5:35 PM
        Thanks for the links!
        • Re: The Monroe Institute

          Sun, March 2, 2008 - 3:23 PM
          I am apart of a project called Psyche Sonics. We have been using binaural beats and isocronics for research in human potential and such. Binaural beats is a technique of brain entrainment that allows you to enter deep trance states, help stress, sleep patterns, and more. Here are a few 'sets' to download...

          www.4shared.com/file/36148...o_Mage.html
          www.4shared.com/file/36481...amming.html

          listen to them in a quite setting with headphones.

          We have been studying human potential, mind and spirit for a few years. There is a philanthropy website called Ideablob that pays a 10,000 grant for the idea with the most support. We are using this resource to put funding towards research on altered states of consciousness with sound, psionics, deprivation tanks, and other cutting edge technology.

          I was hoping you could help us get the word out about this exciting opportunity to push research in these Fields in an open source setting of gifting the knowledge back to the community.

          The web site is
          ideablob.com/ideas/1707-Psyche-Sonics

          Thank you so much for your time.

  • Re: The Monroe Institute

    Sun, March 23, 2008 - 3:02 PM
    Thanks for the link, this is a topic I know almost nothing about but it sounds interesting and it seems like something I'd definitely like to learn more about. Thank you for bringing it to my attention :)
  • Re: The Monroe Institute

    Mon, March 31, 2008 - 5:28 PM
    I used to live near the Monroe Institute, located in the blue ridge mountains of VA. I also read the first few books that Robert Monroe put out and tried some of his techniques years ago. The institute is founded on his methods and beliefs. I have never known anyone to go to take any classes there but it's been around since the late 80's/early 90's I think.

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