During meditation

topic posted Thu, March 27, 2008 - 8:56 AM by  Daniel
Have anyone here experienced the state of meditation, when suddenly in the moment that you go deep inside yourself and lose the identification with the self consciousness, feeling as you are entering in a kind of the deep sleep state but with the consciousness awake yet without any thought. Then at that moment a kind of conscious jump happens and something frightens you, as a new event is going to happen but you don’t know what it is, and at that instant you come back to conscious state. Is that usual to happen during meditation, what to do then and what is that?
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Daniel
Brazil
  • Re: During meditation

    Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:48 AM
    Good experience. Diff. people may have different experience. You are really lucky to have this one. Congratulations.
    • Re: During meditation

      Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:29 AM
      It is not a real experience. Maybe it is just a psychological self-created fantasy from my mind.
      However, before I reach that meditative state, peace, joy and love precedes. If it is a fantasy, I do not know.
      Nevertheless, I felt thrilled with a loving joy inside me. Anyhow, it did not last, and ended with a kind of fear of the unknown bringing me back to matter. Happens 3 times and I cannot reproduce this state anytime at will.
      Does anybody here have any similar “experience”? Please share
      • Re: During meditation

        Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:39 AM
        I would call this a shift in consciousness or even an astral/obe . . . if can be recreated under the right conditional . . . I believe it to be and alchemical transformation . . .
  • Re: During meditation

    Thu, March 27, 2008 - 1:22 PM
    hi, Daniel,

    yeah, that's called the 'trance' or 'transcendent' state of being. that's one of the whole points of meditating -- to get to that place where there is NO thinker, NO thought, and NO object of thinking. (lights are on, no one's home.) you KNOW you're not asleep but you also know (Who knows? the god consciousness within you) that you're not awake.

    so where are you!?????

    you're in the state of samadhi. samadhi -- literally meaning, 'evenness of awareness' -- means the three-part normal consciousness state, where there is a separation of attention, into the observer, the object of observation, and the process of observation. ie, I'm Alx, I know that I'm writing to you, Daniel, and the interaction between us is writing, right now.

    but when you're in the samadhi state, the transcendental consciousness state, the three-part process of normal consciousness COLLAPSES into one point. there is no observer, no observed, and no process of observation. you have -- your consciousness has -- literally transcended the day-to-day thinking process.

    your consciousness has gone into the Shiva, the unbounded sky, the cosmic consciousness that permeates everything and is the backdrop for this creation.

    this, btw, is one of the goals of meditation and it's what the spiritual masters mean by saying one should meditate by 'going beyond thought.'

    going beyond thought doesn't mean stopping your mind from thinking by natural means. it means, achieving the state of samadhi, and super-naturally the thoughts dissolve on their own as you contact the Silence from which all thought originates.

    you can't brute-force it, it happens when it happens. you can't sustain that state longer than your system can handle, esp in the beginning stages, where you're there for a few minutes and then jolted back to your normal consciousness. you can't 'make it happen' -- but you can identify it properly when it DOES happen, and recognize that your meditation process has gone to a deeper level.

    the beauty of that state, too, is that it is timeless. literally, beyond time. how long were you there? (or, NOT there!?!!!!!) was it ten minutes? twenty? an hour? there is no way to know because time, also, has no role in that place of ultimate Silence.

    there's also another conversation about what happens when you contact that state, and after you come back from it.

    the basic point is this: by contacting the cosmic, there, in the deep Silence, you're triggering a purification in your system. purification means -- karmas are starting to spin off and wash out of your system -- physically, emotionally, as well as at the soul level.

    (this is another goal of meditation -- purifying the system from whatever karmas are clouding it over.)

    this is why we can't STAY in the samadhi state, in the beginning stages of this kind of meditation -- because the system isn't sufficiently purified to allow our consciousness to remain there.

    it's like when you go to sleep, and as your body relaxes, it starts to unstress, and maybe you feel your limbs twitching a little. or we have crazy dreams that are spinning off whatever stress we experienced during the day.

    the moment we go into deep rest, the system starts to throw off its stresses.

    meditation in the samadhi state is a similar mechanism on a deeper level -- the rest given the human system by meditation is usually about twice more than normal sleep.

    so the system -- in meditation -- immediately starts to throw off whatever stress, negativity, karmas, it has and wants to release.

    this means that when we come out of the samadhi state, the mind may be going a little wild, so many thoughts and ideas and daydreams and confusing conversations going on inside. (this is a symptom of purification -- the mind is responding to the whole system's de-stressing.)

    or we may experience deep emotions, or relive traumatic situations in our life. we may perceive some past-life strains, or even physical problems that we had years before.

    the whole system is purifying.

    the thing to remember is that the over-active thoughts, feelings, or physical symptoms, are just passing through on their way OUT of our system. the way a bad dream seems really gripping and true, but then it goes by, and then we wake up and it's over.

    so don't get caught thinking that the thoughts, or feelings, or physical symptoms that come in the wake of touching the samadhi state are real -- they're not, it's just purification.

    this is actually a GREAT symptom of meditation -- when the purification really starts to escalate.

    later, you'll find that when you meditate, more and more you're in the samadhi state for longer and longer periods of time.

    when I started meditating, in the early 1990s, my meditations were deep and included some taste of the samadhi state. usually for a few minutes at a time, but enough to leave me thinking, "jeez, what was THAT? and where was I?" it was like a blank -- and then *I* was back again........

    then I went to India, where we meditated on average about 10 hours a day for months and months and months at a time. after about a year, I would go into samadhi for 30 or 45 minutes at a time. (this is when I started laying down to meditate, because sitting up was a waste of time -- I would wind up laying down, anyway!)

    these days, when I meditate, I'm often 'gone' for a few hours at a time. I'm not asleep, I'm not awake. I'm in the samadhi state -- perfectly recognizable as a different state of consciousness, what Patanjali called "Turiya", the fourth state, different from waking, sleeping, or dreaming.

    and from the samadhi state -- amazing things can happen. when you get functional being in that place of no-being, you can heal other people quickly with just a thought, you can create divine things in this world, you can experience your deep god nature with nothing else in the way.

    it is beautiful.

    I'm glad you're experiencing it -- keep meditating! you're on to the experiences that yogis since the beginning of human history have enjoyed and talked about, and tried their best to share with humanity.

    namaste,

    Alx







    • Re: During meditation

      Thu, March 27, 2008 - 3:15 PM
      Alx, thank you for your lovely and clarifying explanation based on your own experience.

      I’ve printed your reply in response to that experience and every time that I read it, again and again, it makes me feel supported in a deep level by someone who really knows how to put in words the real meaning of the abstraction and divine mood felt in that state.

      Thank you again and again to make me feel that it is real. Or rather may become a real experience one day.

      I am a SRF (self-realization fellowship) disciple and all I know about techniques of meditation I have learned from the SRF lessons given by Paramahansa Yogananda.

      My guru is the Yogananda´s books (I have all or almost all), and especially the self-realization printed lessons.

      Swami Paramahansa Nithyananda teachings in the YOUTUBE videos are helping me a lot, despite some disciples of SRF tells me to follow only the teachings of our guru (YOGANANDA) I cannot help feeling very connected to Swami Nithyananda even during the prayer I do before my meditation.

      Thank you again, and God bless us with love

      Daniel

      Ps: I am sorry for the English mistakes I make :)
      • Re: During meditation

        Thu, March 27, 2008 - 4:27 PM
        hi, Daniel --

        partly my explanation is based in my own experience (hey, I teach this stuff every day and have hundreds of students who are also meditating in this way, so it comes up a lot!) but a lot of it is based in yogic teachings -- especially, ironically, I have to say, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's TM (Transcendental Meditation) training. I never did TM, but my husband was a dedicated TM teacher for almost 3 decades and the knowledge/analysis about samadhi and its inner workings in TM was brilliant.

        in terms of Yogananda, he is not my master but he led me to my master -- and our lineages are intimately linked. so Yogananda is part of my daily life, and I bless and thank him all the time, but he is not my master and I don't do the kriyas.

        for me -- and this is only from my experience and perspective, so don't take it as a judgment -- the kriyas are an out-dated technique given to the West at a time when Eastern spirituality was only beginning to penetrate here. from the 1930s to the 1950s, Yogananda initiated hundreds of thousands of people into Kriya Yoga, a huge blessing and boon to the planet.

        but I believe it was a preparation step, appropriate for its time and the evolution of the souls during that time. since Yogananda's samadhi in the early 1950s, there have been waves of Indian yogis -- great masters -- coming to the West, each bringing the next level, and the next level, of energy and information from the Vedic tradition.

        times change. Nature changes. spirituality also changes -- it is a dynamic, evolving reflection of the state of humanity's evolution. this is why Jesus' teachings don't interest every soul, or Buddha's, or Mohammed's, or Adi Shankaracharya.

        spirituality keeps changing -- and the spiritual LAWS keep changing, every millennium, every 100 years, every 50 years, even every 10 years.

        so what was 'high-tech' spirituality in the 1950s -- the airplane ride to enlightenment rather than the bullock cart, as Yogananda put it -- isn't as relevant today. it's not to say it's not true, or important, those techniques. it's to say -- things change, and spirituality reflects the evolution of the souls.

        so many more advanced techniques and knowledge and divine information is available from the saints coming now.

        after Yogananda, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi brought TM and initiated millions of people into how to reach samadhi easily. Baba Muktananda brought super high shaktipat -- direct transfer of divine energy -- to people. Mother Meera gives the Parabrahman energy in her darshan. Ammachi embodies the Mother Divine in many forms, taking care of hundreds of thousands of people in the world.

        Nithyananda is bringing some healing techniques -- good. the world needs them. Ganapathi Satchitananda is embodying the avadhuta tradition, as a Dattatreya saint. good. Vishwananda is bringing a bhakti channel. good. my own master is re-opening the miracle energy channels and creating supernatural masters. fantastic.

        it's hard for spiritual students to grasp how rapidly things change, and are changing. I think the duty of spiritual people in this age is to stay sharp, really sharp, and move when it's required to move, rather than getting stuck in a certain mode and only doing that for decades.

        the states you're experiencing in meditation are 100% real. there is absolutely no doubt. I've seen it thousands of times in students all over the world, in my colleagues, and in my own experience. yogis have talked about it since time began. it's not a self-hypnosis, a fantasy, whatever. it's completely real.

        TM even did medical/university studies in the 1970s and 1980s (my husband participated in them as a meditator), where they would hook meditating people up to EEG machines with electrodes and track their brainwaves while they were meditating.

        up until these studies, researchers had identified the same three different states that the yoga sutras do -- sleeping, waking, dreaming. they can recognize each state by the brainwaves patterns that are distinct in each state.

        well, when they started with the TM meditators, the researchers suddenly discovered this fourth state! gee, what a surprise -- clearly distinct brainwaves from the others. not awake, not asleep, not dreaming.

        it was the trance state, or the transcendent state.

        and it is the same state that you are describing.

        my own master calls meditation 'aware sleep' -- because the body is in profound rest, while the consciousness is perfectly aware. sat-chit-ananda -- consciousness aware and awake in Itself.

        hope this helps -- I'm always happy to share whatever I've learned.

        Alx






        • Re: During meditation

          Fri, March 28, 2008 - 7:58 PM
          "May Thy Love shine forever on the sanctuary of my devotion and May I Be Able To Awaken Thy Love In All Hearts"
          • Re: During meditation

            Sun, March 30, 2008 - 8:07 AM
            (That`s it !!!!!!!) ------ JAI GURUDEVA JAI -----------


            "Master," said a disciple, "I am afraid to go breathless in meditation. What can I do to overcome this limitation?"

            "What you are facing is a normal obstacle on the path," replied Yogananda. "'False notion,' it is called. You are fearing something that, to the soul, is perfectly natural: deep stillness within.

            "Your mind is like a bird that has been locked in a cage for many years. It fears liberty. Yet, freedom is its birthright.

            "Someone opens the door to let the bird out. It may hop outside a short distance, but then suddenly it thinks, 'Oh, this vast world!' Terrified, it hops hurriedly back into its cage again.

            "Gradually, then, by repeated sorties, the bird becomes accustomed to being outside its cage. Then at last, one day, it spreads its wings and soars up into the sky, free at last! And why is it free? Quite simply, because it has finally accepted freedom as its natural state.

            "So it is with the devotee when he first experiences soul-freedom. But remember, as it is natural for the bird to fly up into the sky, so is it natural for the soul to soar in omnipresence."
            • Re: During meditation

              Sun, March 30, 2008 - 11:31 AM
              so, yes, Daniel -- by contacting the samadhi state, you're taking a few steps outside the cage. baby steps, but important steps nonetheless -- the more experiences you have of this inner silence, the more you begin to trust it, and the more your soul recognizes it and resonates with it. THEN the steps get bigger, longer, deeper.

              what passes for a deep meditation now, in six months from now, if you stay faithful to your practice, will seem like surface-level meditations. a year from now -- wow. let's see what happens!

              *smiling*

              Alx
              • Re: During meditation

                Sun, March 30, 2008 - 12:43 PM
                Why fear when I am here?

                I am formless and everywhere

                I am in everything and beyond. I fill all space.

                All that you see taken together is Myself.

                I do not shake or move.

                If one devotes their entire time to me and rests in me, need fear nothing for body and soul.

                ---------------Shirdi Sai Baba-----------

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