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of all places -- the HuffPo had this:
www.huffingtonpost.com/shari-...258.htm
what a great story!
Shirdi Baba, the 'dude on the laptop', is my sadguru. this sort of 'seat-of-the-pants' last minute miracle switch is one of the hallmarks of his energy and his tradition.
enjoy!
Alx
www.huffingtonpost.com/shari-...258.htm
what a great story!
Shirdi Baba, the 'dude on the laptop', is my sadguru. this sort of 'seat-of-the-pants' last minute miracle switch is one of the hallmarks of his energy and his tradition.
enjoy!
Alx
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 6:04 PMThe link did not work. -
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 6:28 PMoops. gotta put that 'http' part in there, I think.....
try this one....
www.huffingtonpost.com/shari-...58.html
see if it goes through.
Alx
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 5:58 AMThanks, that was a fun story. -
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 5:59 AMOK, so now I have thought about what you said and the article and I need to understand this. Are you saying you think the guru arranged that miracle? Could it not have been personally arranged by the woman who received the miracle? maybe your guru really wants you to accept your own power so he doesn't have to work so hard. If you give him credit for your miracles you might also give him blame for your 'shit'.
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 6:05 AMI guess I have more to say about this. The fact that you resonate with Shirdi Baba does not mean it is his energy you are tapping in to, it means you share a resonance that is an energy. If he did not have people coming to him to learn, he would not be in the same energetic configuration. (sorry, my background is science and I don't know the words that would click for you). You participate in that energy and so does everyone else affiliated/attracted to Shirdi Baba. It is a syngery of which you contribute to. My biggest peeve about all this stuff is that people are so entrenched in helplessness, saviourship that they can't accept their own power.
We all have connections to energy outside of our physical experience and we have the ability to pull in our own miracles. In fact as I understand miracles you have to particpate in the process or it won't happen. That woman was thinking about upgrading her technology, she didn't know how it would happen but she put it out to the universe that it was necessary. And Voila' she got an upgrade. Yes a lot of people on the planet participated in that miracle, but she was the driver, not the guru.
Maybe you could ask him what he thinks of my perspective, see if he is attached to getting credit for it, or if he really is in the business to empower you. -
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 10:40 AMThe guru can be thought about as the higher self. It's actually inside of you but sometimes the process is about projecting on to a figure or object that you have a resonance with and eventually not needing the person , figure or object when you realize it's all coming from within. If what's inside of you comes to you in an externalized form to help you along there is nothing wrong with that. I don't beleive science and spirituality are different. i just think we use a different vernacular or approach the same thing from different approaches. -
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Sun, June 29, 2008 - 7:53 AMIt seems that you understand what I am getting at, and I'm glad to hear it. It is just that sometimes your language does not convey that point, and part of it might be the vernacular. Have you thought about the possibility of a new language to describe your experiences, removing the 'saviourship model' expressions and replacing them with 'sovereign model' expressions? Just because a certain phrase or term is used by everyone doesn't mean it really conveys what you intend. Even the word dimensions in the context of 'spiritual' terms has multiple implications depending on who is using the word and who is reading/hearing the word. If we ever are going to integrate science and spirituality (of which I think we must, they are linked because people always want proof) then we need to go through the exercise of defining trems. It would be a nice group exercise.
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Sun, June 29, 2008 - 6:23 PMhey, that's weird, I wrote this whole long post and left it here, and now it's gonnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... *grinning*
anyway -- the gist of what I had to say is that the exterior guru energy is the reflection of our inner guru energy, the gurusthan, the 3rd eye, that resides in each human being. the outer reflection -- of a person, a miracle, an experience -- is showing our inner self how the divine in us operates. if it were only in us, never in relationship to anything or anyone else in the world -- then what would be the point?
in terms of Shirdi Baba himself, he died in 1918 so is unavailable to ask about his opinion, on the surface level, about whether or not he enjoys taking credit for miracles.
however -- in my own experience I can say -- better the divine gets the credit, and the blame, for everything. then I'm off the hook in terms of attachment, and karma, and simply have to do my maximum best, every day, to live up to the impulses of my better angels.
in terms of language -- I think it's a belief system issue. I don't hear 'saviourship model' in my language, personally, and wouldn't ever dream of it being analyzed by such a term. I don't talk about 'being saved' or 'saving' anyone else and don't think that's the role of the divine in my life or anyone else's, either -- so I'm not sure where that connotation is coming from but it's certainly not in my perception, or ideas, or experience, at all.
and, yes, spirituality in general is a slippery slope where language, terms, definitions, etc., get confused and misunderstood easily. part of the challenge of putting the 'beyond-words' into words.
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Sun, June 29, 2008 - 6:39 PMLol, Shirdi Baba has left the planet and I thought you and the woman in the article were talking about him as if he were still present physically.
And what you say about blame, it is human nature that if a person is elevated in esteem by another person to the extent that the second person does not make a decision without consulting in some way the first person. In that case, when the decision seems to turn into a 'bad' choice the esteemed person becomes the enemy. It would be better to just express yourself in a way that you can give credit to your guru for catalyzing you into changing your thinking in a way that empowers you rather than giving the guru credit for your 'good' decisions and blaming yourself for your 'bad' decisions. Something is just as wrong with that scenario as the first one I described . -
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Re: great miracle story on Huffington Post
Mon, June 30, 2008 - 1:55 AMhi, JHR --
I don't blame myself for bad decisions.... *grinning* I just do the best I can and let chips fall where chips fall -- mostly I'm aware that the energy is acting through me, and trust it. it's pretty simple, really.
I think that there's a lot of short-hand used in the spiritual tradition I'm in that implies all of these verbal gyrations "I'm so grateful that the guru's energy linked with mine has catalyzed my own personal link to the divine to create a miraculous reflection in my life today..." pretty onerous and wordy -- easier just to say, "geez, thanks, Baba did it again" and kinda leave it there.
in terms of Shirdi Baba having left the planet, well, yeah, physically he did depart. energetically -- he's stronger and more everywhere than he could ever have been during his actual lifetime (when he lived in an obscure little village in Maharashtra state, in India, as a beggar).
in India today, there are over a billion photos of Shirdi Sai Baba -- they're everywhere, on the back of taxicabs, and on incense boxes, on postcards and store fronts -- because in India, the people who know about the Shirdi Baba character know that he delivers whatever they're really asking for.
during his life, he did perform tons of outrageous miracles -- but since his samadhi in October 1918, he's even MORE present and more outrageous.
hence Shari's comment to the computer dude that "he's probably laughing his ass off at me right now."
Alx
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