Care to discuss advanced spiritual healing?

hi, Plur --

yes, I think that's the tricky part about energy healing. there's a mechanism in this creation -- whether we think we're taking on the energy of another person, or we don't think we are, we still are taking on some small percentage (even while 98% of it goes to the cosmic because we know we are just the conduit). but still -- wires can overheat (although it's just the conduit for the electrons that are providing my lamp with power enough to light up).

the conduit itself gets stuck with an energy residue that really needs a proper decharging -- not just an idea of decharging, but a physicalized transfer of energy into the elements of Nature. (like the water, the earth, the fire.)

whether or not I believe that a fire will burn me, chances are likely that if I stick my hand into an open flame, I'm going to get burned. the fire's property is that it burns, whether or not we believe it.

energy is the same -- we're using our five-element structure, the body, as a vehicle through which the divine energy can impact another person's system (five-element structure). in the elements, some residue will stick around. over time, it will build up -- again, whether or not we believe it.

that your lymph system and digestion are troubled only underscores the point.

I think I put an actual decharging technique in the post, above, about decharging with the water element? or it's on the blog page I linked to.....?

Alx

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hi, JahaRa --

<<same with healings. whether we believe as healers that we're taking on stuff or not, we are. (I was a Reiki healer and master for many years, and didn't think I was susceptible to all the energies I was receiving and processing for other people. nonsense.) >>

you replied: "I don't understand this, the point of reiki is that you are not the healer, you do not process anything for anyone, you are a conduit of energy, and being that conduit also gives you access to the energy for your own healing."

yes, and this is my exact point -- this is a kind of misunderstanding about the mechanisms of the Five Element structure (the body) we inhabit. we are of course the conduit -- no one heals but god, or the universal energy, or however you want to reference the Source.

however, in the process of being the conduit, we are subjecting our Five Elements (body) structure to the energy exchange with another Five Elements structure -- someone else's system. there is a transfer of energy, and whenever there is a shift in energy (ie, a healing), some negative energy or karma or illusion moves, or is transformed -- where does it go? it has to go somewhere, during that shift. a person is relieved of the karma, let's say, of a tumor. some of that high negative energy, some old karma or interconnected series of karmas, has been relieved and transformed. in the transformation, some of the energy has to go somewhere. when a piece of wood burns, it releases some energy as heat and flame, and also some smoke.

even if I KNOW without a shadow of a doubt that I am only the vehicle for the divine energy to flow and heal someone, and that the divine source is the real healer -- 98% of the karmic relief goes straight to the divine source. but that other 2%, the backwash, you might say, comes through and into our energy systems, whether we know it or not. over time, without effective decharging, that residue builds up.

I was a Reiki healer and master, myself, and loved it -- really loved it -- for a few years. and I did observe that the Reiki healers and teachers I knew were getting sick in droves. so were the massage therapists. so were the acupuncturists. it was a real mystery to me.

then you wrote:
"Now the guru that you mention, that is different, the attitude is different, the purpose is different."

actually, the purpose is the same -- but way expanded. he is healing the souls, waking them up en masse, often through effecting miraculous healings in their physical systems.

you also wrote: "I have no experience with anything like that and though I find it interesting, it also causes me concern. It is too easy to give him credit for something that he didn't do, make him responsible for something outside his realm of control."

I've seen him manifest objects out of burning hot ash, I've seen him make 5-foot square solid wood crosses bleed blood, I've seen him raise dead animals back to life, I've seen him create crystal objects out of crushed rose petals, I've seen him manifest items in OTHER people's hands (not his own), and have drunk wine that was water a few moments before.

for sure -- there is no 'false credit' or magical belief that he is responsible for something 'outside his realm of control.' to the contrary -- it's been in my face for years, that the miracle energy, like that, is real, and palpable, and operating in this world -- especially by people who understand the vibratory structure of this creation... having witnessed this for years, and seen my teacher's students also create miraculous healings and manifestations, I can say without the shadow of a doubt that learning that kind of control over the Five Elements (earth, fire, sky, water, air) is not only possible but necessary if we want to understand the truth of who we really are, where we really came from, and where we're really going after this life.

to define the term 'saint' -- thanks for your mentioning your resistance to that term, from all the religious conditioning -- I don't use the term in a 'religious' sense. to me, a saint is someone who has dedicated their lives completely to serving god in this creation -- someone who 'wears the clothing of god.' that's all. it's not about any particular tradition, or religious ideas -- many many anonymous human beings in our history have been saints, as well as formally accepted holy souls and everywhere in between.

the miracle facilitated by myself, or by my teacher -- it's not 'really performed by the person who experiences it' although they're also a player in the drama -- miracles on the level I'm talking about are really performed by the divine operating in both characters, the 'healer' and the 'healee.'

when Jesus turned the water to wine, as he is reputed to have done, at the marriage at Qana, his first 'public' miracle -- it wasn't really done by the people attending the wedding, or by his mother, who was asking him to do it. his channels to the cosmic energy -- his understanding how exactly to bend the illusion of reality -- taking the water element and components in the exact vibration of 'water' and turning it, by an act of divine sankalpam (intention), into a substance that is still predominantly composed of the water element but in a different configuration -- that's what performed that miracle.

do you see what I mean?

Alx